Vokey same grinds for Sand and Lob?

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By Diggey

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  1. Question/help request, I recently got a 58 degree SM8 with an "S" grind and have really found it easy to hit and has reduced my skulling/ and/or chunking.

    If I got a 54 degree SM8 for my sand wedge, does it really matter if I get another "S" grind? It seems like they recommend changing grinds for a variety of conditions and lies but I'm not sure if matters so much at my skill level- versus having confidence in hitting which my new SM8 bring me. Thoughts please?

    Does anyone else out there play the same grinds with their various wedge sets? Thanks

  2. Doug E

    Doug E
    Urbana, MD

    Presently, I have an SM8 54.12D and a SM8 58.12D. I used to have a 54.10S and a 58.12D in my SM7s. Chipping or pitching with a 54, I have found more more versatility with the D grind than the S. I have always liked the 58D for pitching and chipping too. Haven't noticed any difference in full and 3/4 square-faced shots between the old S grind and the new D grind.

    I am planning to purchase an alternate SM8 60.08M lob wedge for more options around the green, on days when the course conditions favor such. I can flop just fine with the 58.12D from all sorts of lies and conditions, but when the rough is sparse or nearly bare in spots in winter, and I need to mini-flop from two feet off the green to a tight, downhill pin, a little more speed through the ball is easier to control and execute with a high lofted, lower bounce wedge, IMO. So, depending on the conditions of the day, I will platoon my 58D and my 60M. 90-95% of the time, though, the 58.12D would work fine for me in all likleihood.
  3. Mike M

    Mike M
    Salem MA

    I have a 54.10S and a 58.08M. I've had the 58.08 M for a while. It's really versatile; I can hit it square, open it, shut it down, hit bunker shots etc.The 54 has just been added to the bag. I wanted a different grind than the M, and to be honest I had a hard time choosing between the D and the S grind.
  4. Tosh.


    The whole grind thing just confuses me.........
  5. Anthony C

    Anthony C
    Tinton Falls NJ

    I recently took the online wedge fit on vokey.com. I entered my swing type, conditions, and shots I use my wedges for and it came up with the D grind for both a 56 and 60. I know its just an online tool, but I have a fitting soon to further fit my game.

    I love the idea of the S, but I think I'd like to try 56 D and 60 K. I love the idea of the 60 K being the ultimate green side bunker club. Let's just say I hit a lot of sand.

    I currently play the M grind and I like it as well.
  6. Marc W

    Marc W
    las vegas, NV

    I was recently fit for S grind in sand and lob but I’ve read that vokey prefers to fit people in higher bounce sand and lower bounce lob, not sure why that would be. I was between d and s grinds so maybe I’ll get a d for one
  7. Mike M

    Mike M
    Salem MA

    Marc, just a guess, but I think the reasoning for a lower bounce lob is because it might be easier to manipulate the club face open and closed with a lower bounce wedge vs a higher bounce wedge, especially on chips and pitches close to the green. In terms of the sand wedge, the last thing you want to do is leave it in the bunker. More bounce will help you get through a bunker shot a little easier than less bounce, in most sand conditions.

    Just a thought...
  8. My wedge purchases are always based on bounce and feel. I prefer low bounce on all of my wedges. As I have stated in previous posts, I am truly amazed that the average person can distinguish between the different grinds.
  9. Dale V

    Dale V
    Escondido, CA

    BMaddigan said:

    My wedge purchases are always based on bounce and feel. I prefer low bounce on all of my wedges. As I have stated in previous posts, I am truly amazed that the average person can distinguish between the different grinds.

    I will admit that I am not a great player but bounce and grind has always been very noticeable to me. I really can tell the difference when playing different grasses. All my years playing bermuda grass the high bounce wedge glided through on chips. You didn't want the leading edge to dig in. Now that i am playing bent and kikuyu grass in SoCal, the grass really grabs the bottom of the club so I have to use less bounce or add more forward lean. No matter what loft and grind we end up picking, the key is practice to build confidence.
  10. Anthony C

    Anthony C
    Tinton Falls NJ

    Well said, Dale. The average player has a lot riding on proper Bounce and Grind.
  11. Bounce, absolutely. My issue is that I don't think the average guy can distinguish between the different grinds. Pros for sure can tell, but too many guys get hung up on grind. Again, get the correct bounce to suit your game, but spend less time worrying about the grind.
  12. Anthony C

    Anthony C
    Tinton Falls NJ

    There are grinds that offer more forgiveness, therefore the average golfer should pay more attention to those.
  13. Doug E

    Doug E
    Urbana, MD

    No disrespect at all, just my differing view. IMO, grinds make a big difference particularly on SW and LW. I have three different Vokey LWs, a 58.14 K grind, a 58.12 D grind and a 60.08 M grind. Each one plays differently around the green with a slightly to fully opened face. On full-swing, square-faced shots, however, there is not much noticeable difference, though the K grind gives me the most confidence when it is very soft or muddy in the fairway. And, the K grind is awesome from soft sand in greenside bunkers. Unfortunately, I don't care for it for tight lie flops. Since I can only use one of these three LWs a day, the K grind gets very little use these days. The D grind and M grind are much more versatile for me and I play the one of those that is better for the conditions of the day/course.

    Am I the "average" guy? I don't know. I do play and practice a lot of golf---5 or 6 days a week until Covid-19 shut us down (but that's a whole 'nother thread)---so I'm very in-tune with my wedges, but I'm certainly no pro.
  14. Anthony C

    Anthony C
    Tinton Falls NJ

    Well said, Doug.
  15. Ryan L

    Ryan L

    The K grind is the most forgiving and great for soft sand in bunkers like you say. This would make you think the K is the best option for the a beginner, right? But if it lacks versatility and is difficult in a tight lie then would you say this is not a good option for a beginner? Or is this where the other wedges come in to play?
  16. Mike M

    Mike M
    Salem MA

    Piggybacking on Doug's comments,it's very easy to open the face of an M grind wedge, and very difficult to do so with a K grind. On the same topic, as Doug said, hitting a K grind off a tight lie can be tricky at best.The K grind is much better suited to really soft conditions while the M is good for firm conditions and tight lies.

    If you get the chance to demo either of those you'll see what I mean. If you play a firm course like a lot of us do, take both wedges find a spot with a tight lie and hit both. To test in soft conditions,find some soft sand, or some wet turf.

  17. Anthony C

    Anthony C
    Tinton Falls NJ

    Well said everyone. Grind is another great option for any skill level. There are more forgiving grinds for different conditions. I'm in the process for finding out what's best for me. I have a fitting coming up in a couple months. I play the M now, but I saw the D is a more forgiving version, so I'm intrigued.
  18. John W.

    John W.
    Lansing, MI

    I like to have a high bounce and low bounce wedge so no matter the condition I find myself in, I'm covered. I went with 54/14 bounce and 60/4 bounce on my last 2 sets of Vokey wedges.
  19. Joe D

    Joe D
    mantua, OH

    my wedge set up for what it's worth (SM7) is a 52.08F 56.08M 60.08M. my 52 is generally a full swing club. I use my 56 and 60 for work around the green
  20. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    M grind bent 2* strong is pretty versatile. I have 58-08M bent to 56. Also have 60-04L.
  21. Jon S

    Jon S
    Canton, CT

    I like to have a sand wedge with something like 12* bounce and like 3-5* on the lob wedge. It gives you more versatility for different lies. Sometimes you want more bounce, and sometimes you want less bounce... it all depends on the lie.

    And especially if you want to play a shorter shot or you prefer to open the wedge up a lot, the lesser bounce will allow fo that easily. Where as with more bounce, you need a special grind at a minimum and have to concern yourself with thinning the shot.

    And lastly, I'd rather hit a shot a little heavy than hit it thin. I think results are much worse when you thin a shot, so too much bounce is risk/reward. If you're steep, it can help, but it can also burn you. IMO, work on your technique if you need a high bounce and dig too much.

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