Irons that stick like wedges...

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By kevin O

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  1. kevin O

    kevin O

    Hi,

    I love to be able to make my 5-9 irons stick to the green like my Vokey wedges (52*, 58*, 64*).

    I play AP1's - very nice, forgiving clubs. But, I suspect the roll-out I get when I hit the green with these irons may be better with an iron with less bounce and/or a narrower sole. I have weakened my AP1 lofts and use the Pro V1, so it's better than ever, but I'm looking for the next level of shot precision.

    If I want that wedge performance in an iron, do I need to go CB? Or will AP2 do it? I want that AP1 feel, but that wedge "stick"...

     

     

    Thanks!

  2. Jakes D

    Jakes D

    Kevin, where is your PW? 48 or 47 degrees? well there are very few prows that can make anything from a 7 iron stick like a wedge. I tell you what. improve your long game to help you get closer to the green with your drives or second shot on par 5's and then hit one of the many wedges you carry to stick. I am amazed to see how many people carry 60, 62 and 64 degree wedges? that must leave massive distance gaps at the top of the set. the objective is to hit the GIR's and then putt for birdy or par!!!! to do that the top end of the set must be right!! properly fitted with the right lofts and shafts and ensure distance gaps are right. I play competitive golf and play and play with low, 0 or + handicaps every second week. less than 10 % of these players carry more than 2 wedges appart from PW. more and more play a 53/54 and 57/58/60 combination. a gap/snad wedge and a sand/lob wedge. most go for par 5's in two shots aften missing greens and having ro play from around the green. the basic idea is this, keep your wedge system uncomplicated. But you know, Vokey has to make money so the more wedges are bought and kept in the store room the better, next year we have a new grind with more loft options.
  3. STEVE F

    STEVE F

    I use the AP1's, and I can put backspin on the short irons enough to make them spin without a problem. Try putting the ball back in your stance a bit and hit down on the ball. I also agree with Jakes D - simple = better for wedge options. I carry a 52 and a 56 degree Vokeys...I get more creative and develop more shots in my bag for those 2 wedges than I ever had with the 3 or 4 wedges I used to carry. Steve.
  4. DPavs

    DPavs
    Hastings, MI

    I personally would not want my irons to spin out like wedges, the thought of it gives me the shudders. But if what you are referring to is landing them softer on the green for less roll out, then I think what you are really after is a higher trajectory shot. This would then become more of a function of ball and shaft choice I would think.

  5. kevin O

    kevin O

    Hi,

    I guess I should have been more clear on what my question really is...

    Which Titleist iron produces the most backspin?

    Does the thin sole of the CB really produce a lot more? CB's scare me a bit because of the lack of forgiveness.

    Does the AP2 produce significantly more than an AP1?

    I do love my AP1's now that I weakened the lofts, and the Pro V1 certainly helps....

    Opinions? Love to hear from the tech guys...

     

     

    Thanks.

  6. Quintin H

    Quintin H
    Morehead, KY

    According to what I have read on this board,  the ap2 which starts a degree strong, has to be delofted 1 or 2 more degree to lower the spin.

  7. barry f

    barry f

    I think the sharper the leading edge of the club is, the more precision the shot has to be. I witness many solid low handi-cappers hit long drives grab their 59/60 wedge and procede to hit it thin or fat. Unless you have to hit it high and soft for a tough pin position, why not take your easiest wedge to hit and play the greens conditions of roll. As amateur golfers we all swing for the yardage that if we hit the ball pure it goes this distance, but in all reality we hit the pure swing much less then we think. Play for worst case scenario, would you rather be long or short.

  8. Quintin H

    Quintin H
    Morehead, KY

    Barry

    We as ams. should not be swinging for the yardage of a pure shot, we should be playing the yardage we most commonly get for a particular club.

    To answer your question, 99.99% of the time I would rather be short than long.

  9. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    I agree with Jakes D in regards to simplifying wedges. I just took the 58-12 back to the store today (I have a pretty deadly combination between the 54-11 and 62-07) and used some of the store credit for buying shafts and grips (doing a reshaft project on my Eye 2 6-PW). I may end up pulling the DCI GW (I only used it 2X in the last 4 rounds anyway), given that I have been pretty proficient with a PW and SW (47 and 55) for some time (but it is nice to have a lob wedge available). In regards to people carrying a 60, 62, or 64... that is a personal preference. My strength in my short game lies in pitching. I obviously don't have the distance I did 25 years ago (I could hit a 3 wood 260+ yards, a 3 iron 210 and an 8 iron 150 yd) but I have a much better short game and stay in the fairway. Up until recently, the hole in my golf game has been the middle clubs (between 7W and 7 iron); I now have a 5H that is super-easy to hit (although I can hit the DCI 4 and 5 irons, I am a bit spoiled with the 5H). Not unhappy at this time with my golf game (~ 85-88 for a par 72 6.2KYD course and close to par on exec courses) considering I have had to rebuild (threw my back out in 2006 because I used to swing too hard) and it IS improving. I totally agree with Barry. I have ripped a 7 wood 225 yards once or twice and actually have hit my 5H close to 200; however, normal shots are 185 and 170,respectively. Sometimes conservative golf = better golf (I see some of the golfers trying to be macho; i.e., trying to hit an 8 iron 150 when they should be using a 6 - result is a shot that ends up way off target or way short). There is also a little factoid on greens - the back of the green is higher than the front for drainage reasons so short is better.

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