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I was told I probably shouldn't ask this question on an official manufacturer's site but I trust and love my Titleist gear. So... two fitters have now suggested that if I buy a stock driver from any manufacturer, including Titlest, I am getting an "inferior shaft" compared to the "real" shaft of the very same manufacturer. Why else would the "good" shafts cost more than the stock driver altogether? I was hoping that large manufacturers like Titlest, Taylormade, Cobra, Adams etc. just got a better price than the individual because they buy so many. But, the fitters I spoke to said, "the shafts are different and when tested, are inferior to those purchased and fitted one at a time like the pros do. Can anyone enlighten me prior to my new driver decision.
We're happy to answer anytime! Thanks for the question.
Our R&D team invests heavily in this area to develop stock shafts that optimize performance with Titleist club heads. In fact, Mitsubishi felt comfortable enough with our Titleist version to let the shafts be called a Titleist Ahina, Kai'li and I'lima. That goes to show how close the shafts are. Also, during consumer testing, we felt that progressive torques played better with different flexes so we developed the shafts with that in mind.
In terms of performance, here is our post on Ben Crane's win last year while gaming a stock Titleist Bassara W-50... http://www.titleist.com/teamtitleist/b/tourblog/archive/2011/10/18/ben-crane-adds-distance-with-titleist-910d2-driver-and-new-bassara-w-shaft.aspx
We'd suggest focusing on the club. shaft and specs that perform best for your game. In Ben's case, he was looking to increase his ball speed and did so by getting fit by our TPI Expert Fitters and gaming the spec combo that made the most sense for his game.
Please let us know if you are in the GTA and would like to book an appointment at The Titleist National Fitting at Eagles Nest, or potentially at one of our regional centers found in other parts of the country.
We hope this helps!
Mitch D - Team Titleist Canada
Thanks for your response Mitch. The Bassara W 50 is exactly the shaft that intrigues me right now, having recovered from a disc injury almost two years ago. I live in Penticton BC and would love to get fit by Titleist as I need new irons and a driver. I play the ZB's right now with 5.5 PX flighted shafts. My driver was from another company until I broke it last week. In fact, I break it every year and would rather buy something new with similar specs than keep repairing it. I just love hitting it dead straight 250 every time. Ryan Crysler suggested the Bassara, based on the specs I provided. To the Question at hand: why are the shafts the manufacturers put in the stock clubs different at all from the ones that, Mitsubishi for instance, sells privately? I just don't get it. Are they indeed cheaper in some respects, as fitters have told me, or does Titleist work with them to design the same quality shafts but specifically made to match the D2 or D3 head? This question is difficult for regular guys to make sense of. Most of the guys I play with would pay more $$ to buy that ultimate driver fit perfectly for them like the pros. If Titleist tells me that the stock shaft is every bit as good as the Mitsubishi "off-sale", then I'll believe you. You stated that the shafts were close. What does that mean Mitch? If they aren't the same, what exactly is the difference that is reflected in the 3, 4 or $500 difference in price. How can a $400 driver contain a $400 shaft? I'll play Titleist clubs until I can't play anymore. Nobody needs to sell me. I'd just like to understand. If you'd like to speak privately, I'd welcome an e-mail at home. Thanks again Mitch. Steve
We can only speak Titleist stock shafts while it sounds like the fitters you spoke to referenced 'multiple manufacturers'.
The only difference between the Titleist stock shafts and the direct from Mitsubishi shafts to is that we feature progressive torques. All this means is that the tourque rating is slightly different based on the flex vs the tourque rating being the same across all flexes. When testing, the progressive tourques simply performed better with our heads. We worked closely and extensively with Mitsubishi on this. Thus, quality is not comprimised...performance is simply increased based on our studies with Titleist heads.
The example already provided related to Ben Crane also speaks to the quality of Titleist stock shafts. There are a vast number of other tour players playing Titleist stock shafts as well...Jay Haas is another who is gaming a 45" stiff stock Bassara W 50.
As for the price difference. Titleist makes a very large world wide commitment to the purchase of these shafts given their placement in our stock matrix. As a result, the Titleist stock shafts are produced at higher volume and a cost savings is passed on as a result. When you are purchasing a shaft directly from the manufacturer, you are purchasing a product that is produced at lower volume which is then reflected by the shaft manufacturer in the price.
We hope this helps clear things up. But if not, please feel free to let us know.
In terms of your wanting to get fit. We have a Titleist Regional Fitting Centre at Northview Golf Club. If you are able to make it into that area we would highly reccomend getting fit by the very experienced team there. (Details below) Failing that, we could potentially provide our sales representative in the area with your email address and see there is a place/time you can meet up for a fitting.
Vancouver, BCNorthview Golf Academy604firstname.lastname@example.org://mattgolf.com/titleist-fitting-center
Meanwhile, we would love it if you could reply to our seperate email regarding who the fitters were that made these statements. We would like to reach out to them to ensure that they are communicating an accurate message to their customers.
Thanks again for the questions and support Steve.
bogeyfree66I was told I probably shouldn't ask this question on an official manufacturer's site but I trust and love my Titleist gear. So... two fitters have now suggested that if I buy a stock driver from any manufacturer, including Titlest, I am getting an "inferior shaft" compared to the "real" shaft of the very same manufacturer. Why else would the "good" shafts cost more than the stock driver altogether? I was hoping that large manufacturers like Titlest, Taylormade, Cobra, Adams etc. just got a better price than the individual because they buy so many. But, the fitters I spoke to said, "the shafts are different and when tested, are inferior to those purchased and fitted one at a time like the pros do. Can anyone enlighten me prior to my new driver decision.
Thanks Trevor, I'll do exactly as you prescribe. Titleist is a great company and as I've heard, no one fits their customers with more care. My journey will begin with a customer rep on the road with a bag of stuff but I'll give him a try. After that, if I can see a fitter somewhere near where I live I'll jump at the chance. Thanks again for your research, suggestions and truthfulness. Steve